Linuxcnc mesa card bit ,( thinking it would be the best match Replied by Todd Zuercher on topic Mesa Card Selection Help There may not be a single card option, but you could use something like a 7i83 , plus what ever you'd need to connect it (such as a 7i96, 7i76e, or 5i25+7i76). Just did a quick test and found some bugs:-7i96S is always named 7i76S, should be 7i96S-see attached, 6 inputs 4 outputs 1 enable 4 stepgens 1 encoder and 1 spindle comes back with 7i76S (should be 7i96S) and 7i77 and all combos using 2 cards, while everything should be only a 7i96S Mesa cards are add-on cards that offload the high-speed tasks to an FPGA. I currently have the Mesa card screwed down (therefore grounded) through a 3D printed frame and it is currently working OK. 0ptI been looking Mesa Website and think that a Plug & Go KIT “7I77-5I25 PLUG-N-GO KIT” + “7I64 Isolated remote I/O card” would be a good configuration for my needs. If you do not have a Mesa card then this is obviously no advantage at all. I have two general question with regards to linuxcnc with mesa cards. HI there I have started a new retrofit of a Mitsui Seiki HR5 machining centre of 1981 vintage. When I converted my CHNC I used 5i20 + 7i33 + 2x 7i37's. It should be possible to merge Pathpilots driver changes with the current LinuxCNC version (or just replace it with the current LinuxCNC version if you don't need ECM board support) but that may be more than most users want to do Replied by chienMouille on topic Another realtime delay question - Mesa card I think I have experienced this a couple of time while jogging two mpgs at the same time. linuxcnc. I followed the codes provided at the bottom of this link: @JackRay, Nice machine! I'm sorry, but I've never used a Pi with Mesa or LCNC. turn-key and supported half-decent hw solutions for the new comer to harvest the performance of that code and innovative interface. I don't for a minute think that there is a problem with the Mesa hardware or hal component. In addition to the on card I/O, two FPGA expansion connectors compatible with Mesa's 25 pin daughtercards allow almost unlimited I/O options. I need another another 35~40 inputs mostly digital and 3~4 analog for spindle/feed/ jog speed. Yes, from what you have said, you are already using the 192. The FPGA runs a firmware known as "Hostmot2 "The interface between LinuxCNC and the card is in HAL, but at one level above that which you configure with the parallel port. If you already have a Mesa card then this means that no extra hardware is needed. Regarding determination of how many axis' I require on the mesa card(s) : - for my two servos on X-axix Linuxcnc can then square the axis during the homing sequence for you and you adjust for square using the homing offsets. Time to create page: 0. returns I'm using the Help connecting to mesa 7c80 card - LinuxCNC I am designing a 5 axis CNC, a mill. Is there a more refined method today? I use Fusion 360 as a one stop shop for CAM and generating g-code. How many channels of Mesa smart-serial would you need? I think that the encoders should be compatible with the LinuxCNC "bldc" component. . “What Mesa card should I buy?” 1 - INTRODUCTION The Linuxcnc (LCNC) INTRODUCTION The Linuxcnc (LCNC) forum has frequent posts from new users seeking help - Page 5. Need to read the PDF of the card with 2) It uses ports on the Mesa card. I have planned 7i76e as the main board. Any help is really appreciated Nick Peripheral Cards Anything I/O Cards Motion Control LinuxCNC Supported Boards Analog Interface Adaptors & Cables Miscellaneous charges. Toggle Navigation Remember Me Log in Forgot Login Hello, I have been doing some research and I want to understand better the difference on these systems, for instance these setups in the videos use Raspberry pi 4 and Ethercat so he can directly talk to the servos and no mesa card is needed, I understand Ethercat makes wiring much more simple and the cabinet has less parts,also on some servos is 7I37TA Isolated I/O card The Wiki page says that the 7i48 and 7i65 aren't completed yet, the manuals for Mesa say they work with Hostmot2? The 7i48 6 servo card would be ideal giving me an output for spindle control and position. 168. Soon could be a good time to launch and advertise the Linuxcnc EasyMotion™ & the Linuxcnc Pro-Gear™ (names made up) i. Mesa Ethernet cards require LinuxCNC Uspace and work best with the motherboard NIC. Start LinuxCNC from the command line (command "linuxcnc") and see if you get any complaints about files that it can't find. If I have this all turned around just kick me and tell me what I have mucked up. The laptop also has static IP address 10. 085 seconds Powered by Kunena Forum. The hard part is teh EXTREME learning curve to understand LinuxCNC. Replies: 9. 14 Serial Remote I/O card firmware: Write a review Please login or register to review Hello, please help me with add inmux configuration 7i90 card, the P1 port its connected 7i48 card, the P2 connected hardware inmux for 16 inputs bits. Actually making it work IF you understand LinuxCNC is not hard . I am new to linuxcnc and Mesa cards and i am stuck with the configuration of the Mesa 7i95t. I'm designing a 6 axis robot with the intent of using absolute encoders on all axis and am wondering what type of absolute encoders can be interfaced to mesa cards and Linuxcnc? From bit of googling I gather that SSI encoders can be used but can SPI or RS-485 encoders?. All the tools I have been testing with do not seem to output a configuration that will load in Linuxcnc. I assumed that the Mesa card would act as an encoder. Anyway I have made my mind about the mesa card, that It has an Ethernet interface is a plus, no need to have the computer "glued" to the machine itself. Not true? Nope, Mesa reads the encoders and sends data back to linuxcnc. As a newcomer to LinuxCNC and Mesa products I struggled to get may head around the 7C81 interface card and how it all fits together. Toggle Navigation Remember Me Log in Forgot Login Might not be a bad idea to start (or just think about) another pinned post "Mesa Card Examples". Please Log in or Create an account to Just to let everyone know that I DID get pathpilot running with a 7i80 mesa card. But when I saw the moving machine with recommended parameters and It moved really slowly I decided to buy mesa card sooner. The 7I77 is daughtercard/breakout board for use with MESA's 25 pin I/O FPGA cards like the 5I25. The 5i20 is probably the most popular MESA card as it's been supported the longest. 5 mm screw terminal blocks. I bought a Pi-5 with an NVMe hat which runs fast and a Mesa 7i95T to do the heavy lifting, I tried the Pi-5 system image from this site but I The card FPGA will not care but if you use either a 7I76 or a 7I76E, Then power up the cnc h/w block (which would include the 7i76), restart linuxcnc with the Mesa config and would be good to home axis, setup the work piece etc etc. Toggle Navigation Remember Me Log in Forgot Login? Sign up Index; Recent Topics; Search; www. when it doesn't, it make hostmot2 - Smart Serial LinuxCNC HAL driver for the Mesa Electronics HostMot2 Smart-Serial remote cards. Muxed encoders is something you should not bother with as it is not required knowledge for making machines work, at all. 001 -q [ip_add] Let the last command run for about a minute and type control C to stop If you need to switch to the 8i20 for some reason, then that communicated digitally using a CAT5 cable, but it is not Ethernet, but Mesa's own serial protocol. If 2 requires a card, would I just be better off There is a suitable Mesa card for both. The newer HostMot2 driver works with all the [Anything I/O] boards. com in Germany, and by now maybe www. So when you push the button it cuts the mains power and lights up a Mesa input to tell Linuxcnc estop has been pressed. hal file, then communicates with Mesa card to get its config; Linuxcnc then treats the external device as if its physically connected. Would it be possible to use a PWM signal as input to a Mesa card? My current setup is a 7i96S and 7i84 and I realize that in order to connect a pin with it's own 24V supply to a normal input I'd probably have to use an optocoupler. Show All LinuxCNC Supported Boards. MORE DETAILS: I'm running LinuxCNC based on LinuxMint and my understanding is it's 2. Also try calling your 7i76E. I am trying to put together my first LinuxCNC build using a Taig Mill. 1. 8. 11 assigned for an additional network that's between only it and the MESA card. I think your best bet is to do some searching in the "Computers" sub-forum, and post a new thread in there (or "Driver Boards") specifically seeking recommendations for Pi + Mesa combinations. The Mesa card does all the timing _between_ servo thread invocations but does depend are reliable communications every servo thread. What does activate the spindle now? A switch or a relay ? For simple on/off operation you would need to add a relay wired to one of the Mesa outputs, that in turn would power on or off the spindle. You had mentioned in the previous mail related to Mesa 7i96S + 7i84. below is a photo of the X axis resolver and a photo of the wiring diagram showing the connections, photo of the Inductosyn scale, fanuc pre-amplifier. “What Mesa card should I buy?” 1 - INTRODUCTION The Linuxcnc (LCNC) INTRODUCTION The Linuxcnc (LCNC) forum has frequent posts from new users seeking help - Page 2. Analog Interface; Adaptors & Cables. After connecting the Mesa 7i76e and the L7S servo drive using Modbus-RTU, Mesa card and LinuxCNC. Could it be that something has changed within Linuxcnc its self before it passes the "Sxxxx" value back to the mesa hardware. bit file using mesaflash (or mesaflash3), I get the message "No 7i92 board found". But to use Mesa 7i92 ethernet card I must install Preemp-RT kernel. (ie replace the call_list file in Wire the mains power to your motors through the NC side and wire field power through the NO side. My Uspace install pages. 121 because I have a 7i92M card and when I try to download a . welectron. Driver Boards. - the Mesa card has to be in the same logical network than the LinuxCNC computer - the Mesa card always assumes to be in a class C network (suffix /24, network mask 255. I'm putting together a machine running linuxCNC and will need to drive 7 stepper motors + minimal I/O for limit switches, etc. org; Hardware & Machines. Replied by JR1050 on topic I want to use a Mesa IO card I could only get 14 of the 17 outputs to work,output 24 thru 27 would come up with a "does not exist" message and I listed all the available pins in hal show and according to halshow,the outputs on these pins dont exist. I am building a CNC router for mainly wood. All field wiring is terminated in pluggable 3. Anything I/O FPGA Cards. I Hello everyone, I am new to using LinuxCNC and the Mesa 7i76e. 10. hal file directly, rather than with the "source" command in a call list. There are also cards with digital and analog inputs and outputs, inputs for position encoders, handwheels and much more. The simplest is perhaps a parallel port. I think that the smart-serial cards from Mesa use a dsPIC rather than a µP like the STM32. Oops! I mistakenly flashed my 7c81 with 7c81epp. it is driving a Gecko g540 and I'm using Linuxcnc v2. now im looking at different mesa card combos,have reed on this forum and mesa home page what i could find on these cards but still a Little confused wich one to chose. As far as I understand, I need to get a daughter card for the extra inputs and outputs. The older Hostmot-4 firmware /driver is most mature, but only works with the 5i20 and is no longer actively developed. Searching through the forum I see the following: arghh, looks like I sent out some 7I76E cards with the card name not set. Advanced Options Pages at the bottom of the Start page then Discovery Option will appear in the Board Name dropdown on the Mesa Card page. 001 -q [ip_add] Let the last command run for about a minute and type control C to stop Mesa support is absolutely the best, their owner is here helping always. I have T6-400W servo motors and a Lenovo ThinkCentre m93p PC to run Linuxcnc 2. In fact as far as the system is concerned it is a normal smart-serial card. The conversion is documented here. Once configured, you should be able to ping it from the PC as normal. And leave room for 2 7i37s for IO. I have experience in creating new bitfile, using mesa 5i25, 7i74, 7i83 One RS-422 interface is provided for I/O expansion via a serial I/O daughtercard. What host hardware are you running? What are your ping times: ping -c 4 -i . 9. as things stand right now I can ping 192. Each line will contain the card name, the card number, the I/O Pin number, the connector and pin, and the usage. But I am not sure which mesa i should choose. Maybe the images below will help the someone to get a clearer understanding of the The STMBL contains an STM32 and plugs in to a Mesa FPGA card just like a Mesa Smart-Serial card. The interface between LinuxCNC and the card is in HAL, but at one level above that which you Peripheral Cards Anything I/O Cards Motion Control LinuxCNC Supported Boards - Plug-N-Go Kits - Anything I/O FPGA Cards - Anything I/O Daughter Cards - DB25 Daughter Cards - The [MESA Anything I/O] boards are FPGA-based, and can run with different firmwares. Is there a better work flow and software option for laser engraving? Hi I don't have the Mesa card at hand yet, is there a way to trick PathPilot into starting up and not stopping with a missing Mesa card error? Its probably possible to launch LinuxCNC by deferring the parts of hal that access the hardware to Mesa card terminal block part was created by JacobRush I'm looking to make a little PCB with a power rail and a bunch of pull up resistors on it and I'd like to use the same terminal blocks as whats on the MESA cards. mesa card. I have problem. With a Mesa 7i96e card or similar, can I etch in grey scale? I've read some posts from circa 2013 and the method was to use G67 plus a phantom Z motion to control the laser. 020). I have an older PC (Intel i7 - one core enabled jitter is below 10K) with a SIIG PCIe Parallel port card. Views: 4228. I need help assigning the right wires between the Mesa 7i97t and SG-AS50 servo drive, I read the Mesa manual for the 7I97T and have seen a lot examples that deals with steppers. US$310. 2 [ip_add] sudo chrt 99 ping -i . RPi4 with Mesa 7i76e ($199) 3. Use this rather than the default 192. A typical application would be to re-purpose the smart-serial port on the 7i96 as a modbus port to control a VFD. Don't know what I don't know yet, but there is so much more to read Hi everyone, I'm trying to set up a mesa 7c80 card connected to a Rpi4 to run a small 3 axis mill but can not connect to the mesa card. Afterward, i pulled the card out from the controller enclosure box and used individual +5v power supply to input the logic side for checking, the result as listed previously. My guess is that a 7I96 would not work with PathPilot because the 7I96 was introduced after Pathpilot was forked from LinuxCNC. The parameter I'm after in the VFD is called Percentage Load (4. 5I22-1 FPGA based PCI Anything I/O card --Mesa card should be wired directly to the PC, not over a switch or HUB or router. But 48 I/O (32 input+16 output) in 7i76e is not sufficient. 00 Add to Cart. What hardware is appropriate depends on what machine you wish to control, what performance you expect, and how much time you are willing to devote to setting up the controller. The 5i21 is very new, LinuxCNC knows about it, but the rest is unknown at the moment The 5i25 is pin-compatible with all parallel-port breakouts and the Gecko G540 7i43 integration Example Mesa EMC 2 Integration. LinuxCNC Forum. MPG Pendant is a must, but may need to be an upgrade as well. If you need more IO, a 7i84 is easy to wire and adds 32 inputs and 16 outputs. The following user(s) said Thank You: matthewg. so change "The Mesa Configuration Tool is designed to create the configuration files needed by LinuxCNC for Mesa Electronics motion control cards. It uses a similar wizard approach as StepConf Short guide to setup your new Mesa control board for LinuxCNC ¶ Mesa 7i96 Setup Guide When you are setting up your Mesa board for the first time, make sure you have all of your settings in mind so you know what to input when the Mesa cards with a Field-programmable gate array (FPGA), interfaced to LinuxCNC computer via Ethernet. I'm also having a plan to do that. I know this setup doesn't inform linuxcnc where the axis really are, so I'm looking to include digital rulers Ehm, I'm going off the rails. 1. My previous experience is limited to GRBL 3D printers and CNC routers. I can ping 192. This becomes a compliant system. iso" install, the Latency Test result is max 35 000, that is good for LinuxCNC stepgen. Should the Mesa card be grounded to the cabinet back plane (which is also earthed via the line in). Last Post 26 Apr 2024 12:51 by tommylight. wether im using analog or step\dir is a later question. Two drivers are supported by LinuxCNC. Topic started 18 Feb 2024 20:42, by klopp. com in Portugal might have them. (Partial build photo attached) 2. Linuxcnc load the driver from the. Edit that, please. but cant seem to find information using similar servo drives that I have I have added steppers to a bench top milling machine and I really hoped to get LinuxCNC running on it. Either way, whether I try to start LinuxCNC, I get a red LED on the MESA board. Can the cable shielding be grounded to the backplane (at one end only)? Many thanks Typically the card is configured with an ip address of 10. I connected the servo drive to the Mesa card and then connected it to a computer via Ethernet. Time critical (realtime) tasks are performed on the FPGA card. The machine is equipped with resolvers (1st time for me). 121 -- so the ethernet connection is working fine. The file will be in the current directory of the terminal window. =11. There are various types of Mesa cards that this configuration utility supports. eusurplus. 7-wheezy. It can configure closed loop servo systems or hardware stepper systems. I really like the LinuxCNC and now I have a few machines to retrofit that will need field IOs and have analog servo interface. I have a Gecko 540 in an enclosure (including power supply and e-stop) with 3 steppers on the Taig. Download v. I have a Mesa card 5i25 which has been running well for about 12 months now, I don't think it is still under warranty, but it may have developed a fault which I don't know what to do about. txt in the terminal only the info from the time you loaded LinuxCNC will be in your file along with your pinout. The pins are then published in can someone recommend me some mesa card combo i should use? I need to control 7 axis by analog signal so system require: 7 analog output channels, 7 uart channels ( i just need 7 RX channels to get serial data), 7 encoder channels. Driver Mesa Card Combination Tool. So I this is what i found out. The Mesa is talking to the computer through the ethernet port. Yes, a 7I76E (or 7I96) is a combined FPGA/controller card and breakout The 7I92 is just the FPGA/controller part and needs a Mesa or parallel port compatible breakout board if not used with a integrated drive/Breakout like a Gecko G540 or Leadshine MX3660/4660 The future upgrade had to be mesa card. 10 and the PC is configured as having a fixed IP of 10. -====Network setup for mesa cards: ===== - left click on the network manager on the bottom right side or upper right side near the clock Now when you run LinuxCNC and then do a dmesg > hm2. Create a format, perhaps similar to what I did above, and people can post a summary of their machine for others to use as inspiration. 1) Should/Would one expect any noticeable difference in the performance or operation of linuxcnc when using something like the Mesa 7I76-6i25 combo, compared to a normal parallel port config. The speed and precision you end up with will depend on the hardware not the software when using Mesa or Pico interface cards. Mesa cards are add-on cards that offload the high-speed tasks to an FPGA. Could I just load linux cnc on a PC and connect via parallel? or does that require a mesa card which would output to parallel? 3. If the mesa card is disconnected, the internet works fine for me. When it works it is very useful to get people going. I make this according this I have two general question with regards to linuxcnc with mesa cards. The FPGA runs a firmware known as "" The interface between LinuxCNC and the card is Short guide to setup your new Mesa control board for LinuxCNC Set jumper W5 DOWN and jumper W6 UP so the card will use the IP address from the EEPROM 10. Hello, I installed Debian Bookworm + RIP LCNC 2. I would like to know if there are any updates available so i can use 7i97 ethernet card. " Additionally, the config tool can "Firmware Flash, Reload, Verify Mesa I am looking to develop a cnc project related to linuxcnc with Mesa motion control board ( like 7i96S and 7i76E). I'm thinking of using the following encoders: If you do have the Mesa, install LinuxCNC on one of the laptops, set everything up, leave LinuxCNC running with the Mesa attached and under LinuxCNC control (means not running a sim). 1 address range for your network so you need to use a totally different network so there is no traffic other than from Linuxcnc onto the mesa network segment. inmux inmux mesa card 7i90 - LinuxCNC LinuxCNC Forum Mesa cards are add-on cards that offload the high-speed tasks to an FPGA. You should not use relays in a safety circuit unless it is a standards approved safety relay. Over time, parallel ports have become less available on PC’s, and, perhaps more importantly, parallel ports are rather limited in both speed and the quantity of signals to/from external hardware they can handle. They may be set in the HAL file using "setp" in the usual way. I would like to be sure that Replied by PCW on topic servo thread limit for mesa card? 100 usec jitter is normally not an issue with such a setup and more (up to say 300 usec) can be tolerated using firmware with a DPLL module to decouple the encoder sampling time from LinuxCNC's read time. It has fantastic latency about 20 000 ns with youtube video. I have nothing with Mesa, i just buy their stuff like there is no tomorrow as they have proven extremely reliable. As long as you are simply cloning your setup to be a tormach it is a piece of cake. 121 however, if I try "mesaflash --device 7i97 --readhmid" I get firmware not supported for device. I recently converted my plasma from a 5i20 to a 5i25 + 7i76 to free up the 5i20 card for another machine. First try at setting up a Mesa card as well as a newby to Linuxcnc. RPi4 with Mesa 7c81 + other BOBs (?) ($89 + $??) Would like to start with only a router (not a controlled spindle) but can see upgrading in the future. Ethernet Connected Boards When i checked the X, Y, Z axis drivers control box, their normal green LEDs still lit, they don't have problem and would not be the issue to cause the failure in Mesa card. Generally speaking, they need to be run with a specific firmware that configures the FPGA on the card to behave in Replied by arvidb on topic Mesa card comparison table I would think all of the cards not in my comparison are useful given the right circumstances. Any other parameters than the ones above are created by the card istelf from data in the remote firmware. 1 Debian. They go through a HAL filter, so I guess that would give too many instructions at once if spun fast? the mesa card is one thing the bitfile to pncconf a other cmorney is working on crapping the pinfile and configrurating on that. At a later date, I plan to reconfigure the machine, and will instead want to drive 8 servo motors plus a spindle. e. I was aiming to give a quick overview for someone migrating Can someone please help me get started setting up my Mesa-cards with LinuxCNC? I plan on using the following setup: PC running LinuxCNC -> 7I94 and if my cards are not listed in the dropdown-menus I will have to choose cards that are similar and then change the card names in the HAL-file after finishing the configuration LONG VERSION 3- BACKGROUND Linuxcnc was originally designed to connect the outside world to the computer via the PC’s parallel port. If it fails, yank the hard drive and install it in the other laptop, repeat above. RPi4 with Mesa 7c80 ($249) 2. Just trying to get a feel for what I could expect. kinco servo can handle both step\dir 500khz and analog torque\velocity modes with different update frequenzies. Mesa 7i76E is pretty hard to find, but 7i96S was in stock at www. This timing is obviously critical, hence the dedicated mesa card. 255. If it stays on for 2 days without dropping the link to Mesa board, use the laptop. I I would like to change my machine from beaglebone black (machinekit) to mesa with linuxcnc. 0), a different network mask can not be configured It's all You do not need a Mesa card to run LinuxCNC, its is one of many options. The table below provides Can someone please help me get started setting up my Mesa-cards with LinuxCNC? I plan on using the following setup: PC running LinuxCNC -> 7I94 -> 7I77 (for PnCconf is made to help build configurations that utilize specific Mesa Anything I/O products. After a fresh "linuxcnc-2. The hal file loads a driver which connects to the mesa card and any connected daughter cards. General LinuxCNC Questions. +24V --> powersupply same for mesa card GND --> powersupply same for mesa card TTL + --> + 220 Ohm resistor -->TB3 PIN3 FWIW, M67 is not a buffer buster and I have it working on my K40 laser via LinuxCNC/Remora but I would think it The servo controller supplies this to the motor, following instructions in the form of 5V DC pulses coming at high speed from the Mesa card. 4I69-25-AIN FPGA based PC104-PLUS Anything I/O card The MESA 4I69 is a general purpose programmable I/O card.
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