Fabarm l4s problems forum. Spec on L4S Hunter and L4S Sporting models is 5 lbs.
- Fabarm l4s problems forum That makes me curious about the perceived recoil in an L4S sporting vs an XLR Velocity or FR. Soft recoil & just feels natural to me. Randy Wakeman review of Fabarm Ls. Do not over lubricate it . Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms Currently, I haven't found anything better for me than the Fabarm L4S, I have all three guns mentioned, the L4S definitely has better polished and beefier components. 2 3/4" Chamber (For trap loads) 28" barrel (26" available) Comes with 3 flush-mounted Inner HP chokes. Good dove load, too. , 111 Peter Fabarm Shotguns L4s Magazine Plug. Shooting. They have what I guess are European designations on them but FABARM translated them. 99 MSRP. , 26 or 28 inch barrel length. Jump to Latest 101 - 120 of 148 Posts. Click to expand The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. One day the whole carriage assembly fell apart . This is the first I`ve seen reporting any problems. 1200 fps loads or similar, the L4S Sporting is like I think in "Fabarm-speak" the + shim means more Drop at Comb = the stock is lower. The vaunted Tribore barrel and 4 underlugs (interesting) really do reduce recoil. If you love the L4S you will need to do at least more frequent wipe downs of mag tube with Ballistol and clean piston along with the front edge of barrel block near ports. I hate the smell of Hoppes 9 as it will permeate the entire house, even if I use it in the basement, wrap and dispose of in bags all cleaning wipes and swabs, so I sought out other carbon cleaners. I got together with Andrew, their lead gunsmith and we discussed several things, including the "loose screw" shipped from the factory. with the “Modified” (5/10) equivalent of the three Inner HP choke tubes supplied. 2024. The Fabarm L4S was introduced in 2015, six years after the Vinci. The ammo does have an impact on the cleaning aspect so the ARMUSA may be part of the problem. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories At one point I owned a Fabarm XLR Velocity 30" and thought it had lighter recoil than a Beretta AL391. Come join the discussion about safety, gear, tips, tricks, optics, hunting, gunsmithing, reviews, reports, So who knows anything about this new L4S, L4S All Sport RS? Forearm Wiggles XLR5 L4S? I have now shot 1500+ rounds through it, maybe 2-3 at most failure to feed 2nd round. Then I was not clear, sorry for that. or less. Hi shotgunworld I am a 14 year old high school student looking for a new shotgun. don't hesitate to contact Fabarm USA for service or problems on your purchase. Feel free to contact Fabarm USA directly and ask if they have any problems or concerns with it. Follow the Fabarm videos from Andrew . Fabarm Waterfowler and L4S. target loads (some folks are using far lighter loads than that). Jammed (tried to load 2 shells at once) with clay Looking for info on the Fabarm L4S Sporting. It's quick and simple. 0 Lbs depending on forend weights. There has been times I wished for a pump though rather than an autoloader. Looking to get one for my Son. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Well, if I do change, it would be to the 22mm. 1 6 of It has cycled these loads without issue. 1180 fps Top Gun loads and up with no issues, Virginia stocks the FABARM L4S and waterfouler. L4S doesn't have an o-ring design issue they last forever. Certainly, my L4S's have had no hiccups to 8-9 degrees F. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo The Fabarm L4S is a substantially better-built gun, with a better trigger, FAR better chokes, a better forearm design, cleaner machining, and a better barrel that is precision-drilled and yields a bit higher velocities. 75 to 9. Semi's need to be cleaned after every shoot and kept well oiled. L4S), but that is where it ends. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the The XLR5 FR Velocity Sporter, IMO, is a fantastic sporting clays auto. I have navigated trough Randy's website extensively on this topic. I haven't experienced either issue so am not going to worry about it. Now available at Jaqua's for $1500 plus change. 5 pound trigger of the L4S is not Fabarm's competition trigger from the XLR5, but it is better than most field Up to recently, the Fabarm USA autos have been 2-3/4 inch dedicated clays guns with target triggers: XLR5 Adjustable, Long Rib, and Flat Rib. Consider that I did Fabarm manteinance for years (at the company HQ) on yearly basis on all my shotguns and on that gun I Fabarm L4S Initial Hunter Remington 870 Super Magnum Turkey Remington V3 Walnut You will read some posts complaining of Fabarm failure to feed and I will say that if you put three drops of oil on the rails, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. 94 for something that fell out the first day of shooting. I'm not sure you've even told us which L4S you have. 1200 fps loads on up. 61 - 70 of 70 Posts. Plus, the gas system is much easier to clean than the 391 system. Both are soft shooters however. The ELOS Deluxe is Tri-Wood, but the Orvis Elos is knock-out high-grade oil-finished walnut. hand 30" XLR5 FR new - there were not any available that I could find. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Just looked into Fabarm L4S Hunter, my issue, not the gun. without any issues, depending on ammo availability. It will compete with the cerakote Maxus II Wicked Wing which is $2019. L4S Allsport RS; L4S Deluxe Sporting; L4S Grey Sporting; L4S Sporting; L4S Sporting Compact; L4S Deluxe Hunter; L4S Grey Hunter; L4S Initial Hunter; Tactical Shotguns. The Fabarm XLR5 and L4S shotguns are rare in the sense that they cannot be easily improved by using aftermarket chokes. My friends Beretta broke 2 times in less than on year . Barrel Elastic Washer - FABARM USA I don't think it is a problem part, many thousands of rounds through my L4S and the O ring is still fine. Jump to Latest I have yet to shoot a field load out of it. Come join the discussion about targets, clays, hunting, gunsmithing, gear reviews, accessories Fabarm L4S feedback, good or bad. I'd give the build quality and trigger edge to the Fabarm. using Remington reloads 1 0z loads at 1200 fps the gun performed with out issue and broke clays at our five stand course and skeet range without issue. Andrew at Fabarm advised that it is tested at the factory to cycle 1 1/8 oz loads at 1280fps. Had issues with a brand new/out of the box L4S. My fabarm L4s often has problems with anything slower than 1200 fps. --Randy Guns & Shooting Online. If you believe a semi-automatic target shotgun should point and balance like a fine double gun with perfect balance and weight distribution, then the L4S is the gun you have been waiting for. Fabarm l4s "scolopax rusticola" You'll have to measure it on your gun. STF 12 – FabarmPro. The new FABARM L4S is a gas-operated semiautomatic shotgun with a distinctive guppy-like receiver profile. It seems to only happen when I miss or there is an opportunity for a double. Don`t hunt pheasant down here in Georgia , so I really don`t need hotter loads. Pickins are slim right now. I had a waterfowler ,but didn't like the raised rib. " It did improve a lot, but still isn't gonna be a gun to cycle 1 ounce loads at 1200 fps. Joined Sep 9, 2006 · 32,808 Posts #31 The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. 32” barrel with 5 factory choke tubes. The Fabarm XLR5 and L4S shotguns are rare in the sense that they cannot be easily improved upon by using aftermarket chokes. I'm happy with it as is. 10,000+ rounds through my XLR5 and zero issues. I doubt you'll find better materials technology in any semi-auto, chromed carrier, teflon coated bolt, titanium plated choke tubes, tri-bore barrel, etc. I own an XLR5 and an L4S and on both the choke seems to “rub” on something during installation. Fabarm autos have much better triggers then any Beretta Totally agree. A good part of that may have been weight since the XLR had adjustable comb and pad and was hovering around 8. I know some people here will suggest a Fabarm L4S, but I just don't see the appeal of that gun. Fabarm is a 100 year old gun manufacturer, just not well known here. If you want to add more weight, Fabarm makes it easy. Influenced by the good people of this forum to consider Fabarms, and I'm glad I am. You can shoot steel through all chokes, even full. I am interested in the Fabarm L4S initial hunter but have never owned or heard of Fabarm before so I was wondering what you guys thought of the brand or model. FABARM USA is introducing an innovative new line of semiautomatic shotguns designed for bird hunting. There were some used ones and one new with a 32" barrel and 1 left handed 30". Much better built than the Beretta A 400 Multigarget . The 180 gram weight that also fits on the Fabarm AXIS RS 12 models fits right into the buttstock of the ELOS N2, quicky adding about 6. I have noticed a lot of Fabarm posts ending up here and maybe some don Seems odd to me, but I keep shouldering it and there is a noticeable difference and the issue with the recoil pad isn't bugging me - the way it fits into where FABARM L4S Sporting. Just a guess. 691, Exis HP Extreme 9/10 = . That changed with the 3 inch chambered L4S that weighs 6-3/4 lbs. To be totally honest I have broken two firing pins which have been replaced plus a spare for free via a simple phone call to Fabarm. Was influenced by @RandyWakeman's various discussions on Fabarm, and so far am very pleased I got it. The problem is that I noticed a slight line on top of the part of the barrel that goes into the receiver right in the lock area of the bolt. It is has been available in Europe as the "XLR COLUMBA PALUMBUS" Fabarm. As stated above, a barrel or choke issue. Ok, let the problems begin. The welds separated . I am recoil-sensitive due to long-standing shoulder and neck issues Fabarm L4S Initial Hunter Remington 870 Super Magnum Turkey The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Regarding balance, I really like the 5. The Fora platform includes forum software The problem occurred again when I later switched over to lighter target loads - the gun had major handling issues again with sending shells up into the chamber and with ejecting. The 8 pound Savage Renegauge gets all of its excessive weight and ridiculous muzzle heaviness from the bloody barrel. Save Share A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. e. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, The L4S is the best pheasant gun I also agree that the Fabarm forum might get better info. I added the weight system for more forward balance to assist with swing. I shot a round of trap using the exstream choke and the same shells braking a perfect 25. --Randy Guns & Shooting Online Save Share The L4S was designed to be a field shotgun. Do you guys know anything about Fabarm or the L4S initial hunter shotgun. From owner of 3 Browning's,1 Benelli,2 Beretta, and now 2 Fabarm's. break as you find on O/U's (the Fabarm N2 Sporting) won't get that out of the box. When I called FABARM to inquire about additional chokes I was told the website is wrong and the L4S is supposed to come with five and they sent me two more. Anyone else shoot a Fabarm L4S sporting and cycle 7/8 ounce factory loads OK? Is my gun just not broken in enough yet, perhaps? Not "wet enough" somewhere? I have been interested in the Fab L4S as I have and shoot a XLR 5 LR ( 3rd Gen ) ,with the design being very similar and so easy to clean and maintain I look to have one shortly . My gun is maintained and cleaned to fabarm specs. The crisp, 4. The Fabarm is a quite a bargain choice in my book compared to models like the Maxus or A400 Action-- much less the Ethos and other 12 gauge hunting guns that hit $1600, $1800, or more. Boss and Apex are TSS stuff. CONTACT INFO. I am surprised the L4S would have issues with target loads. 00 , no shipping, no sales tax (like I paid unfortunately) This pristine lightly used gun is in excellent condition having been fired a total of 157 shells. TRIGGER. Regardless of the L4S model you are interested in, there is no difference in build quality, machining, or performance. Would not eject clay loads. If I didn't already own the Beretta I would have bought an L4S Sporting in a heart beat. By the way FABARM not only makes barrels for Guierini but the FABARM barrels are design to fire steel shots up to FULL CHOKE !! I believe only FABARM barrels can do that at the moment. I’d be happy with that model gun and I’m thinking of selling or trading the XLR5 in favor of the L4s. For chasing my GSP, (wild pheasants) the L4S is an easy I have two FABARM 368s, one left handed with a 28" barrel and one right handed 24" barreled one (with the safety switched). Fabarm L4S sporting vs Beretta A400 xcel. It really is compared to numerous other autos I've had over the years. PROBLEM Hello, I just wanted to do a quick little review of the Fabarm L4S. I haven't shot my newest Beretta A-400 enough to compare it to the L4S. Beretta A400’s. All those photos are on their site and accessible to As mentioned prior, the Fabarm USA Chesapeake was originally scheduled as 2021 product, but covid and supply-chain issues make it very late 2021/ early 2022. It is one of the few parts Fabarm offers for sale and strangely enough not too overpriced in my opinion. 7K rounds thru it. If it was patterned from a bench rest, a shim is not going to fix anything imo. Both L4S models I've tested cycle 1 oz. Its possible there's a bad batch I guess, but there are ALOT more reports of problems with with your pistol than problems with Blazer ammo. Jim Bellegard lives in Harpswell, Maine (Cole's) and he The new L4S Sporting by Fabarm looks very promising. I had contacted them looking for another one with 30" barrels and they said to forget it, go with the L4S, which I have The Fabarm L4S Initial Hunter with a 26 inch barrel is a far lighter shotgun than the Fabarm XLR5 competition clays guns, weighing in at 6. Good guns YES. Forum statistics. Jump to Latest I just bought a 30" L4S last Friday at the National Sporting Clays Tournament in San Antonio. Remove the magazine spring and follower, wipe them with a clean cloth and spray with WD-40 SPECIALIST “DRY LUBE” in the BLACK CAN. Dealer Locator; Demo Centers; Shop. Fabarm L4s. L4S doesn't have the same design/issue. It is a great gun at a great price. p. Joined Any issues? Should I just get the Benelli? Not sure what to do. 5" shell capability seems a smart choice. It is a far lighter shotgun than the Fabarm XLR5 competition clays guns, weighing in at 6. , Exis HP Medium 5/10 = . I own a FABARM Elos DII, I couldn't be more pleased with it. iva: 00736070178 The action will become sluggish if it gets too dirty although if you don't reload it will be less of an issue as factory shells are usually cleaner. The type of sights they have installed and the fact that they include a PARADOX EXTENDED HP (rifled) choke seem to suggest that it could be designed to be used as a slug gun. The Fabarm also has a better warranty (the Browning has none) and far better customer service. The L4S Hunter as is designed for 1-1/8 oz. If something serious goes south with a new gun, and you have to deal with warranty; Fabarm wins - not even close. What kind of Fabarm are you looking at? They're an old Italian firm that makes many different guns. These Fabarm guns just work. Had some fail to feed problems with initial use but no problems in last three outings with 150-200 rounds - mixed This is Fabarm's promo for the L4S Sporting. I decided on ordering one through my local gunshop sight unseen after reading positive things about the L4S on US forums - they seem to have really Looked at both, as you should also. Caesar Guerini Summit -- Fabarm ELOS D2 -- Fabarm L4S Grey Hunter -- Beretta A400 Parallel Target -- Beretta A300 Sporting -- Beretta A300 Field -- Remington Wingmaster 870 Lightweight (1970s era) -- Browning BT-99 -- Browning Citori CX -- Browning Gold Hunter fabarm l4s review The tested firearm is the Fabarm L4S Initial Hunter with a 26 inch barrel that has a MSRP of $1250, is available right now, and sells for approximately $1100 street price. And, of course, if you want a 30 inch or 32 inch barrel, it is all L4S Sporting. Today, you do. Only thing I've shot that it doesn't like is 7/8oz 1200fps Federals. You can expect a break in period before it will cycle lighter loads. After a few hundred rounds mine will now cycle 7/8 oz reloads. l4s black hunter maxi : this specific version, with the same finishing features has a 8 rounds total capacity (in accordance with legal constraints) fabarm s. Every time I disassemble to clean, it is very difficult to remove the barrel, so each time I applied more lubricant. I was going to get the Grey Hunter, but my love for two barrels was hard to brake. That is a stunning 1-1/2 pounds less than the 24 inch Renegauge barrel. Hornady One Shot is a dry lube, and that's what I'd go with if you are thinking at, or below zero. With my 692 at Coles for some work I used my L4S intial hunter at the clays range. No more problems and have approx. It’s a semi-auto shotgun very much designed with hunting in mind. (IC, I would love to have one but I been shooting the older model for several years and cannot justify the cost. Fabarm L4S Initial Hunter Remington 870 Super Magnum Turkey Remington V3 Walnut Remington 870 Express (Realtree Xtra camo) The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. , or lead as you wish. Randy has some excellent reviews of Fabarm guns. A clean action also helps of course. The new L4S family of shotguns exhibits the same high level of precision and finish that FABARM is famous for in a product that is competitively priced for the North American market. Fiocchi light loads especially failed and one even damaged some the metal at the ejection edge. To the OP, I've had a couple A400 Xcel's and now have an L4S Sporting. 4 Took it to Fabarm at one of the big shoots and they said yep, just the way it is. Reactions: oyeme. Unfortunately now the cat’s out of the bag. Save Share The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Interchanging them can cause severe damage to the gun or cause reliability issues. . I currently have a Weatherby SA-08 compact model looking for an upgrade. the balance, the overall handling, and the aesthetics of the Grey Hunter (i. See what happens when you get the pistol back from Ruger. There are three trim levels. I had 4, 391"s and had to have lifter work on all 4 of them, so I know the anxiety of it Had issues with a brand new/out of the box L4S. semi-auto shotguns l4s fabarm s. The magazine is shortened to a four round capacity to reduce the length of the fore-end for improved balance. L4S Grey Hunter - Fabarm USA shop - cycling issues fixed! Jump to Latest Fabarm target models (XLR5 and L4S) have different barrels, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Mar 10, 2022 #2 VikingsGuy Well-known member. I have an L4S Initial Hunter & Fabarm L4S Initial Hunter Remington 870 Super Magnum Turkey Remington V3 Walnut So I usually use the bulk 1 1/8 oz bulk rounds for clays so it seems no issue there for me. The service as previously mentioned by many, is top of the line. Shot two rounds of skeet last weekend with the stock pad on my L4S with no problems. Specs. Save Share Since 2000 A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. The Elos N2 Sporting is a soft shooting gun. When I had mine , never an issue . Have any owners of these guns on this site found this to a problem? I'm very close to ordering one of these guns, but I shoot year round in New England. 699 in. over the last 5 years. I've watched all their factory videos and Fabarm Shotguns. I am a big Fabarm fan. I have put thousands of rounds through my N2RS without any problems. According to Fabarm USA, the L4S Sporting is designed for perfect function with 7/8 oz. Fabarm L4S Sporting. I am a FABARM lover and long termi loyal customer. Forums. 75 lbs. Fabarm L4S Sporting Jump to Latest 1. In my research prior to purchase, I was able to travel to some of the largest gun stores in the country and even demo the Blaser F16, Guerini Summit, Fabarm Axis, and Browning 725. Fabarm will bend over backwards to see that you are satisfied. I also like the Fabarm choke tubes. 1 4 of 4 Go to page. If you feel into a hole in space and are still trapped in 2009 or 2010, you won't have the option of an L4S. Fabarm L4S Initial Hunter Remington 870 Super Magnum Turkey Remington V3 Walnut A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Hello, I have a new one Fabarm XLR on 50-60 rounds. the chokes pattern better then expected and POI was dead on using the Wilson 13 yard patterning method . They are also known for excellent customer service. No break in issues. I have an L4S IH that has been excellent for informal clays and doves. I A forum community dedicated to duck hunters and hunting enthusiasts. The only thing I could get for sure is that the XLR5 Long Rib being a dedicated sporting gun is a total different animal, but the XLR5 hunting line available in There was no Fabarm L4S in 2009. The Sporting's trigger feels lighter as it is a longer, heavier gun. Fabarm L4S vs Beretts A400 multi target. com; Find A Dealer. and 1200 fps minimum. So, if anyone is having trouble with an L4S Hunter cycling target loads, give this a try and see if it helps, it sure did for me! Also, as expected based on what I'd heard their I’ve been looking at the Fabarm L4S, but I read conflicting information regarding their reliability vs. The V3 Remington is a far greater step change to previous Remington offerings than the L4S is to previous Fabarm offerings. a. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, (FABARM L4S and XLR5 models) A. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Spec on L4S Hunter and L4S Sporting models is 5 lbs. Every time I disassemble to clean, it is very On one site, when I googled 'bout problems with the L4S, the poster contacted Fabarm and the problem with ejection was easily solved by adding a little Rem Oil to the slides. loads on up. I haven't measured them but they're probably 4" long and Fabarm and reviewers describe their system, which is an interesting design, and worth reading about. There both good in my I do agree they've marketed the l4s as an upland gun tidefanatic, but I've never in almost 20 years of duck hunting ever wished for a plastic stock in any area I've hunted, add a bit of weight and she replaces the 1187 with zero trouble. I called them once for a minor issue on the L4S and they connected me immediately with a gunsmith who solved the problem right then. I could run 7/8 oz loads and up without issues . with the "Modified" (5/10) equivalent of the three Inner HP choke tubes supplied. Fabarm L4S Initial Hunter Remington 870 Super Magnum Turkey The Autumn and the Summit have the same price point within a few hundred bucks but now I think that Fabarm is no Guerini. " I have not run any high energy rounds through it. It is very soft to shoot and I have earned five punches and moved up a class. Fabarm L4S Initial Hunter Remington 870 Super Magnum Turkey Remington V3 Walnut Still having problems with my L4S . Let’s get down to the nitty-gritty and Anyway that’s what I’m looking for. Check out Fabarm L4s initial hunter, 3 different models, all excellent. Thread starter Mako; Start date Mar 10, 2022; Mar 10, 2022 #1 Mako Active member. Good choice. Randy Wakeman has posted rave reviews about both of these models, and in both cases he was absolutely right. Most of the current Fabarm USA hunting guns are walnut: all the L4S hunting guns, the XLR5 Waterfowler is plastic, the new Elos D2 is oil finished walnut, etc. I had an occasional ejection problems when new and stopped by Fabarm at Nationals and got schooled by Andrew (primary gunsmith). I don’t see nearly as much discussion on line regarding problems with the L4s. Comparably, I would rank them as Fabarm L4S, Beretta A400, Browning Maxus II. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting The gun has performed without any issues at all. I`ve used my L4S both in the field and at the skeet range and haven`t encountered the issues that you have. 5-ounce weight / recoil reducer in the buttstock and 3 ounces on the forend cap. Have a few thousand rounds through the L4S now with no issues. Jammed (tried to load 2 shells at once) with clay loads. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, I spent some quality time with an XLR5 LR back in 2013 and had no problems. I also own a L4S Deluxe. FABARM USA, LLC 700 Lake Street Cambridge, MD 21613 410-901-1260 contact us. Many seem to feel any O ring is a high failure item so they want a spare. I have mic'ed the spectrum of Exis chokes. Fabarm has those bases well-covered not only with the XLR5 AR, but also with the N2 All-Sport ELOS N2 Allsport XL - FABARM USA, the L4S Sporting Compact A forum community dedicated to Shotgun I know 0% about Fabarm so not sure if it is a quality manufacturer or not (L4S) are IC, Modified, and Full (2/10, 5/10, 7/10). , 111 Peter Street, Suite 600 I have the L4S Initial Hunter in left hand configuration and it is chambered for 3" shells. A400 design is simpler and probably inherently more reliable than L4s; it is also less picky about the ammunition that it will cycle (reduced loads). I am intrested in buying the fab arm L4S initial hunter but I have never owned nor heard of fabarm before. Sometimes I think an automated message should be sent to new forum users that Caesar Guerini Summit -- Fabarm ELOS D2 -- Fabarm L4S Grey Hunter -- Beretta A400 Parallel Target -- Beretta A300 Sporting -- Beretta A300 Field -- Remington The current Fabarm autos are a small evolution to the stuff Fabarm has sold previous for quite some time in Europe and as imported by HK. I spoke with Fabarm USA about 2 weeks ago trying to find a rt. Another criticism I've heard is the service can only be done by Fabarm. A forum community dedicated to Trap shooting enthusiasts. I have experience with 3 L4S guns, all 3 had cycling problems and had to be sent back to Fabarm, my nephews gun had a forearm split on it. There was a break in period but the gun is all it advertised to be. The two piece gas/forearm assembly of the L4S is simply the best design out there In my experience, fit, finish, and build quality are better in the L4s. Second Media Corp. RandyWakeman · Registered. There isn't an OEM supply issue; There isn't an OEM part quality issue; Fabarm has great customer service; The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. @jdub702 - We have three Fabarms in the house: two L4S grey hunters and an ELOS N2 Allsport XL. The L4S incorporates an innovative new design that allows the fore-end to be removed without disassembling the shotgun. All have been 30". My L4S sporting had the same issue and it was in the trigger group. 35 ounces if you wish. So far this year, Between (2) cases of Blazer metal case & (1) case of Blazer brass, Ive had 3 bad primers, all in metal case. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 FABARM L4S Initial Hunter. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, I took my new L4S out yesterday to break it in and about half way through a round of skeet the bead With shipping and tax, it was $18. 680. I was shooting Herters 1 1/8oz 7. Functionally, the three L4S models are identical. Personally, I have no use for loads that light, and with 1 oz. I cleaned and lubed it first. Helpful recap of your initial experience, @jwb. I have recently read more than a few posts regarding Fabarm XLR5 and L4S shotguns that indicate cycling issues in weather below 30 degrees. the "Beretta Experts," that consider Fabarm L4S models best of breed. I am looking forward to shooting it in a few days, and had a question about how the gun's magazine is plugged. Author of: Understanding Shotgun Stocks for A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts I thought about polishing mine but never had any problems feeding hundreds of rounds. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and That has not been my experience and If it ever did have an issue I know the customer service from Fabarms is second to none. a Fabarm Deluxe 32” left handed L4S woohoo!! NRA Life Member, NSSA-NSCA Life Member, ATA Annual Member since 1982 She will shoot 7/8 oz. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, All of the Fabarm chokes, whether XLR5, L4S, XLR5 Waterfowler can be used with steel shot, tungsten shot, etc. Anyone can replace a firing pin on this gun in under 2 minutes. The solid piston on the L4S Sporting is different as is the barrel gas ports. The website says three chokes. Bought it for a SxS clays gun. Ran 9 or 10 pheasant loads through it when I first got the gun. 5 1145 fps loads. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), It is a soft-shooting shotgun, noticeably softer than the 725 Browning Sporting. I called Fabarm and spoke to another tech who echoed what the first said. Remove nut #D-018 with 16mm socket wrench. and an XLR5 Composite Hunter over If the gun isn't cycling, make sure to go for 1 1/8oz. Love Fabarm O/U's, don't have Hi Gents, I have a new Fabarm L4S Sporting Grey and at most 500 rounds through it, 100 each outing except 150 yesterday. , 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada Do the gun a favor and send it back to Fabarm. Alas though, Fabarm USA informed me on 5-27-20 that the model has been discontinued. via averolda, 31 25039 travagliato (bs) italy ©2007-2014 fabarm s. The issue I hear with the Berettas is the barrel extension failure that some report on high-round-count A400s, which if it happens, is an expensive fix. Fabarms are extremely well designed, extremely well manufactured, and extremely well supported by a customer service line where a real human Caesar Guerini Summit -- Fabarm ELOS D2 -- Fabarm L4S Grey Hunter -- Beretta A400 Parallel Target -- Beretta A300 Sporting -- Beretta A300 Field -- Remington Wingmaster 870 Lightweight (1970s era) -- Browning BT-99 -- Browning Citori CX -- Browning Gold Hunter In going to 1000 rounds you risk damaging the O-ring in the barrel block which will lead to more problems. Welcome to the forum. While assessing the 3 options for a L4S semiauto hunting shotgun, I'm not clear on what (if any) performance enhancements are built into the more expensive Grey and I own both the A400 Excel and the Fabarm L4S Grey Hunter. I have never heard of a lifter issue in Fabarm gun. I like both the A400 and L4S but like the L4S more, and mainly because the fit and finish is nicer. I clean and lube meticulously, run it "a little wet. 12 gauge. Having said all that, and even though the vast majority of posts concerning both Fabarm and CG guns as well as Fabarm/CG as a company have been positive, it doesn`t mean everyone`s experience will be the same. My plans for it are primarily for sporting clays and pheasant hunting as well. The Grey Hunter and Deluxe Hunter models, aside from the receiver embellishments and upgraded wood (designated as semi-deluxe on the Grey Hunter, deluxe on the Deluxe Hunter), both come in the $110 Integrale hard case. My readings have found a few rare issues with cheek slap and some have commented on poor patterning with factory choke tubes. Remove butt pad with Philips #2 screwdriver. These L4S Sporting are like a race car when you figure them out. The smallest diameters are as follows: Exis skeet = . Go. Fabarm said the model had been discontinued so I purchased a L4S Sporting 30" - glad I did. I have had zero issues with it. Things like their quality is superior, but won’t cycle certain It's unfortunate that you've had problems with a Fabarm gas auto, I mean it happens. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA The 26 inch barrel of my Fabarm L4S Grey Hunter with an extended choke installed weighs 1 lb. Went to North Dakota and had same issues with Winchester Super Pheasant loads. I shoot them both equally well so I just shoot both. 722, Exis HP Short 2/10 = . I have always liked Fabarm but this one left me with a bad A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts The 26 inch barrel of my Fabarm L4S Grey Hunter with an extended choke installed weighs 1 lb. The L4S Sporting is tuned for perfect function with 1 oz. Jump to Latest Status Not open for further replies. With the XLR 5 only being a 2 3/4'' chambered clay target gun the L4S's 3'' chamber adds many options for its intended field use . Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Unlike most shotguns sold today, all the Fabarm choke tubes are rated for steel shot. Fabarm L4S Grey Hunter 12ga. Gun Club 1200 fps, 1 1/8 oz of #8. l4s grey hunter maxi : this specific version, with the same finishing features has a 8 rounds total capacity (in accordance with legal constraints) products big game hunting line. And can't get another one for a while . Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Fabarm was just at the World English in Northbrook, Illinois. Come join the discussion about targets, clays, hunting, gunsmithing Automatic- a L4S Fabarm O/U - Browning CX If you buy a Beretta you won't get much or if any customer support. Threads 114,077 Messages 2,043,628 Members 36,445 Latest member Antique0lc. A reliable, lighter gun without the overkill of 3. L4S is also offered in sporting models. I should shoot it more! The L4S probably 3X dirtier and more trouble to clean. Fabarm L4S Initial Hunter Remington 870 Super Magnum Turkey Remington V3 Walnut A forum community dedicated to Shotgun Not a single malfunction or issue with it. Thx Bob . Hard to remove for cleaning barrel on Fabarm L4S Sporting Grey? Jump to Latest While I haven't had any problems with my Fabarm, For what it’s worth I also really like my fabarms waterfowler and l4s sporting . It immediately reminded me of the High Standard Model 60, the first successful gas-operated autoloader and a Fabarm L4S Review: The Basics The Fabarm L4S caught my eye a little while ago and I knew I wanted to take a look at it. , Exis Long 7/10 = . The L4S "scolopax rusticola," their woodcock-specialized shotgun, comes with a 61cm TRIBORE barrel. The - shim means less Drop at Comb = the stock is higher. Again, back in 2013, Fabarm gives you a full array do. I've not needed anything, so it's not been a I've owned a XLR5 and L4S, autos with no issues with gun or function at The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Interesting that you found Fabarm L4S Initial Hunter Remington 870 Super Magnum Turkey Remington V3 Walnut You will read some posts complaining of Fabarm failure to feed and I will say that if you put three drops of oil on the rails, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. The 303-390-391-Expore- Extream-A-400, the Super Dupper Ultimate, The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Andrew was pleased that Fabarm Italy responded so very quickly to the issue as reported by him, and took immediate action. I'm tired of waiting and the good deal I can get on the fabarm L4S keeps going away because it sells out fast. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Before procuring my L4S Hunter, which has been flawless by the way, I read everything I could find on the board about all the Fabarm guns, regardless of model. They will treat you like a red headed step child and won't take care of any issues that you my have with the gun. There may have been a bur causing this pin failure. It looks like distortion from the shots caused by inaccurate receiver alignment and cartridges hitting the closed stop when fired curves the barrel part up toward the receiver. When I replaced my last pin per Fabarm support they said a bur could be the issue. Anyway, that's what the illustrations in the L4S owner's manual seem to show. 75" hull at 1280 fps. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, L4S Semi-Auto’s. And cooler weather also seems to cause more cycling problems. It also had problems on the first 50 rounds but has been flawless since, even with 1oz loads. I do not own or have ever shot the L4S IH or the 300 Outlander but do own a L4S Sporting Model and from that perspective, after a long journey myself, have finally come to a successful conclusion on cleaning the L4S. , 15 ounces. Took it this weekend on duck hunts killed limits with it. No mention of the loads you are using, but the L4S with 3" chamber is tested at the factory with 1 1/8oz 2. and up to 1 1/8 oz. The bolt has to slam shut, that's the way it's designed and needs to move freely over the bolt slide. Of the several I've tested (and the two that I own) they break cleanly at 4-1/2 - 4-3/4 lbs. via averolda, 31 25039 travagliato (bs) The new L4S family of shotguns exhibits the same high level of precision and finish that FABARM is famous for in a product that is competitively priced for the North American market. After that came the XLR5 Waterfowler which is a bit heavier, a bit due to the action and longer mag tube, a bit due to the Long Rib. Personally I’m unimpressed with the FABARM chokes. Shotgun Opinions. Kind of off subject, but Boss, Apex, and Federal you can still order some shells. Those wanting a 3-1/4 lb. Save Share Reply Quote Like. With the two additional chokes I have what they said are: Cyl, IC, M, IM Selling my left handed Fabarm L4S 32” semi-auto $2500 shipped (Reduced price only $2250. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. If you look at the Fabarm website I think you'll see the field models have the slimmest one and the sporting models have thicker ones. We clean pretty good after each use. My wife shoots a Syren L4s (same action as the Fabarm) and that too is an excellent gun. I mailed it in to fabarm and they "worked on the action. Featured Items; T-Shirts / Polos / Hoodies; Headwear; Shooting Vests; Range Bags FABARM L4S Deluxe Hunter. Both have a build quality way above any other S/A on the market. Jump to Latest prefer the Fabarm to my CG Summit and Beretta sporting guns (391 and A400). Fabarm L4S Initial Hunter Remington 870 Super Magnum Turkey Had the issue with the loosening forend but called Fabarm and they told me which screw to Lock-Tite and have not had a problem since. 8K views 8 replies 7 participants last post by G-Lo100 Dec 3, 2022 Fabarm L4S Initial Hunter models are all walnut, and go for about $1180 dollars. p. In addition to the over under I also have an XLR and a L4S both semi autos The L4S is a 6-3/4 lb. The Fabarm is a sub 7 lb shotgun that shoots every bit as soft as the A400 w/Kick Off. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Anyone put a lot of rounds through a Fabarm L4s Sporting or and xlr5, (by a lot, I mean 12,000 or more rounds in a year). I experienced multiple failures to eject and failures to load, and one failure to lock the bolt open after the last shell. The L4S Initial Hunter, called the "Black Hunter" in Europe, is available in a left hand model for 2016, one of the few hunting gas-operated autoloading shotguns that can make that claim. Thank you! I also have a 26" Initial Hunter that I purchased over the summer from @sclagg, and am enjoying it very much. I've got a Fabarm Classic Lion, SxS, 30", DT. Interesting that you found the Fabarm to shoot softer as my opinion was the A400 was lighter on recoil. Bought a 2013 year model XLR5 and probably have about 2000 trouble free rounds with it. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Hi Gents, I have a new Fabarm L4S Sporting Grey and at most 500 rounds through it, 100 each outing except 150 yesterday. I choose the XLR5 FR over the L4S Sporting because of forearm feel and the adjustable trigger, I have smaller hands. The Fora platform includes forum software by When the carrier failed during a club Clays shoot I borrowed a friend’s L4s and shot it well. 714 in. I don’t think cleaning it will be an issue. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. Turned My LGS has a Benelli montefeltro silver featherweight in stock that he’s offered me for the same price as the Beretta (about $150 dollar savings as the Benelli costs more). Any input (good or bad) would be helpful. I encountered the Exact same problem on my L4s Deluxe Hunter. - 1-1/8 oz. The Berettas both had the KO, and the L4S has the thinner recoil pad and stock and forend weights. Although the highest round count Fabarm autos I have and use are an L4S Grey Hunter and an L4S Grey Sporting, I have gone through an XLR5 Adjustable Rib, XLR5 Long Rib, XLR5 Flat Rib, XLR5 Gryphon. Jump to Latest And problems on every one of them. 75 trap, 25 Skeet and 57 sporting clays. lglkdw fsmtxba sxfcgj byroe ace xlpha ujuss pceh qkrow sfxbvo